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Episode 61

How to lead Legal without a JD with Zoe McMahon, HP, Head of Legal Ops

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In this episode

Host
Tyler Finn
Head of Community & Growth, SpotDraft
Guest
Zoe McMahon
Chief of Staff, VP of Legal Strategy and Operations, HP

Summary

Introduction: 0:00

  •  Zoe McMahon, HP Chief of Staff, VP of Legal Strategy and Operations, joins the podcast.

How do you  start a career focused on environmental issues? 2:02

  • Zoe on her passion for the environment.
  • The early days of corporate environmental efforts.
  • Getting a doctorate in environmental technology.

How do you advocate for the environment from within a company?: 4:04

  • Zoe on driving change from within.
  • Working in regulation vs. joining a company.

How do you resource responsibly?: 5:02

  • Zoe on working for a responsible company.
  • Embedding social responsibility into job requirements.
  • On culture shifts and mindset shifts.

Why she moved into privacy: 8:03

  • Zoe connects human rights with privacy.

Can you build credibility without a JD?: 9:25

  • Zoe on privacy and data protection as a compliance function.
  • Why 65% of HP’s legal team are not lawyers.
  • What people without JDs offer to legal teams.
  • On building legal teams.

Should you change career trajectories? 12:55

  • Zoe on why she changes roles.
  • On common hiring mistakes.
  • On the benefits of different perspectives.

What does the Chief of Staff to HP’s Chief Legal Officer do?: 19:36

  • Zoe on communication and facilitation.
  • On maintaining trust in the workplace.
  • On engaging with people.

How do you build strong relationships at work?: 23:57

  • Zoe on mindfulness practice.
  • Managing stress with graciousness.
  • On asking questions.

What part of HP’s culture is Zoe proudest of?: 26:41

  • Zoe on working with a business-focused CLO.
  • Breaking down silos across functions.

Fun questions: 30:30

  • Zoe’s favorite part of each day.
  • Zoe’s professional pet peeve.

Book recommendations: 34:02

  • Principles by Ray Dalio
  • The First 90 Days by Michael Watkins

What she wishes she knew when starting her career: 40:04

  • Zoe on why relationships matter.

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